Say, if a store's employees treat you like crap, do you keep shopping at that store?

I must have seen a thousand posts telling Hillary supporters to shut up and vote for Obama in spite of all the hatred and fascistic abuse hurled at them throughout the course of this primary.

A common theme is that Hillary supporters are in a losing camp, ergo Hillary supporters are losers.

BUT Obama supporters are lightning quick to point out that their insults are dirty but the Obama campaign iself (i.e. the great leader) is pure.

How is this different from saying that just because you're treated like crap by a store's employees, it doesn't mean you shouldn't go back - for more abuse?

The problem here is not management or style. It's cultural. The schism is wide and deep between the "true believers" - the core Obama groupies, their early adopters/patrons and their declared superdelegates - and everyone else.

There will be many soothing words in the near future from the Obama camp, offering mercy and refuge to their vanquished foes. Hillary supporters are deluded if they think they're worth more than their votes.



Display:


wow (2.00 / 1)

RAWR, TINY ANGRY


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:56:10 AM EST

As they say..a fish rots from its head! (none / 0)


by CoyoteCreek on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:59:42 AM EST

As they say..stupid is as stupid does! (2.00 / 2)


by JJE on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:10:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As they say..a fish rots from its head! (none / 0)

That's why your posts stink so much?


by zep93 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:07:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Didn't you know, we're ALL racists, according to (2.00 / 4)

SNL.

Those who vote for Hillary over Obama because of mandated health care?  You guessed it - racists.

Those who vote for Hillary over Obama because they believe Obama is either inexperienced, too young, or has not paid his dues.  You guessed it - racists.

Those who vote for Hillary over Obama because they feel she is more qualified?  You guessed it - racists.

Those who vote for Hillary because they believe she will be a better partner for Israel (not saying its true, but some feel that way).  You guessed it - racists.

Those who vote for Hillary because they believe she is more of a fighter, and he a compromiser, and given the last eight years of Bush feel we NEED the fighter over the compromiser at this seminal point in American history?  You guessed it - racists.

What's up with all these racist, poor white trash, scumbag "Democrats" anyway?  Why can't they see that if they don't vote for Obama, they are by definition evil racist bastards who will rot in Hell?


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:59:49 AM EST

Heh, (2.00 / 2)

glad you're getting your political analysis from a sketch comedy show.


by Slim Tyranny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:00:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh, (2.00 / 2)

SNL was just "keeping it real" when they were pro-Hillary and anti-Obama. I remember how so many here were urging Obama supporters to grow up, and learn to laugh at themselves.

Methinks the humor only goes one way?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:08:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The only Obama skit I saw was NOT anti-Obama. (2.00 / 3)

It was a skit detailing the free pass that Brian Williams and Tim Russert were giving him.  

The entire skit was meant to make fun of the media, for giving Obama a free ride.

That's a bit different than the deeply insulting Clinton skit (insulting to her and everyone who voted for her),  saying she's a sore loser, that her supporters are racist, that she'll sabotage Obama to make a run in 2012, etc.

How do those two very different kinds of skits compare?  One attacks those in the media that fawn over Obama, and one calls Hillary an ambitious bitch and all of her supporters racist.

That's like a comedian saying "I give both parties the same crap.  I called Clinton a lying whore who would kill her mother to win, and said McCain has grey hair and should look into Just For Men hair dye."  

OK, you told a job about both candidates, but did you attack one and not the other?


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:26:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Crimeny (2.00 / 1)

You don't understand your own analysis.

That skit was about the media's interpretation of Hillary Clinton and why she's still in the race.  They were caricaturing her because that's what the pundits are doing.

Jeez.  

I don't understand how you could so easily get the Obama thing as razzing the media and not this.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:41:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I thought the bit was bad, too (2.00 / 1)

It was was delivered so badly by Poehler and very amaturishly written by the SNL staff.

HOWEVER, I still do see what the big deal is. SNL stopped beeing good decades ago, so why anybody gives a f#*k is puzzling to me


by standd on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:51:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I thought the bit was bad, too (none / 0)

should be don't of course


by standd on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:51:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The only Obama skit I saw was NOT anti-Obama. (none / 0)

Geez. give it up. Before the primary, I did not hear from one single Clinton supporter about not voting the party line in case results do not happen the way they want because at that time they thought Hillary was going to win. Now I see so many Clinton supporters talking about not wanting to vote for Obama in the GE. Seriously, whatever flaws Obama had, he had them before the primary started. You are just making him out to be this evil guy now because he is winning.

And the SNL explanation you give us? Damn, is that the best you can do?

And yes, there are racists. How do you explain that EVEN NOW, there are MULTIPLE cases of old crochety white people who openly say that Obama is muslim or something about him is just not right. We know the code for "just not right".


by Pravin on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:56:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I never suggested there wasn't a single white (none / 0)

racist voting for Clinton, or that there isn't a single black racist voting for Obama.

However, SNL suggested that ALL of the people who have EVER voted for her do so ONLY because they are racist.  That's not my interpretation.  That's what they did.  Its a bit much to say that this white, suburban Detroit, Jewish attorney who voted uncommitted in Michigan but now supports Clinton, is in league with SOME voters in West Virginia who live in the mountains, have no education, wear overalls, and whittle crosses to burn on black folks' lawns.  No?


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:49:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh noes! (2.00 / 1)

Someone said something mean on the internets!  I'll teach him!  I'll vote for more war and a continuing economic meltdown!  Sure, the country will be worse off, but I'll sure show that random guy on that one blog!


by JJE on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:09:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

HULK SMASH!!! (2.00 / 4)

Look, I know you're angry, and there's a lot of hurt feelings on both sides, but you don't do yourself any favors in complaining about the treatment of Clinton supporters while simultaneously insulting Obama supporters (the "great leader" cultist crap is so old).

Here's the simple truth: neither side in this Democratic divide has sole custody of the high ground on "meanness", but we all need to get over ourselves and support the Democratic nominee (as both Clinton and Obama agree), because our little feud is NOTHING compared to what the GOP has in store for the Dems this year.  It's a loser year for the GOP, and they know it, and never mind the kitchen sink, they're going to be throwing the whole fucking house at us.


by Slim Tyranny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:00:05 AM EST

Oh, shut up (none / 0)

You didn't get your candidate and now you get into a childish rage? Grow up, for heaven sake.


by Fairy Tale on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:04:59 AM EST

Terrible analogy (2.00 / 3)

Obama supporters don't all work for his campaign, and, unlike a store, you don't have to deal with them when you're voting.  A better analogy would be not buying a Ford because you don't like some people who own Fords.  That, everyone can agree, would be asinine.


by JJE on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:07:24 AM EST

Re: Terrible analogy (none / 0)

Heh... Once, I read a story on Hillaryis44 that went something like this:

"I was cut off on the highway today, and I think it was because an Obama supporter didn't like my Hillary bumper sticker."

responses went something like this:

"Obamabots are all full of road-rage, and shouldn't be allowed to drive!"

"Yeah, Obamabatons are all bad drivers and should be kept off the roads!!! I'm glad you weren't killed!!!"

"Shame on Obama for trying to run Hillary supporters off the roads! Obama needs to be stopped!"


unapologetic Obama supporter
by dantes on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:24:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Find me a single front page diary that calls (2.00 / 3)

Hillary or her supporters screaming maniacs in the text of the diary on MyDD.  Not just today but ever.

On the front page this morning Obama supporters are called:

screaming Obama-maniacs

And the reference isn't even to an anonymous large croud somewhere, it is about those of us who read and post on MyDD.  It's a specific insult aimed at us.

The tactic of claiming the opposition is doing what, in fact, you are doing is a favorite of one Carl Rove.  I'm sick of it and I'm sick of the Hillaryis44 crowd spreading their anti-Obama crap all over the place.  It does nothing positive for Hillary and sows divide in the party.

Both Obama supporters and true Clinton supporters are coming together to fight McCain in November.  Those of you who are 'anybody but Obama' types, who threaten to vote Republican can do whatever you like.  Vote Republican, vote Libertarian, vote Green, stay home...I for one just don't give a damn.  


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:15:01 AM EST

Using your argument Hillary is unelectable. (2.00 / 1)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:21:35 AM EST

That's a very bad analogy. (none / 0)

If you really want to play it through, you have to reflect the reality of the situation. An election is not something you can just opt out of. You're going to have to buy SOMETHING or else give up something dear. And while that store might treat you bad, it's actually giving you what you want. The GOP store won't do that, it will actually not only have terrible service, it will be overpriced crappy merchandise.

So let's follow this rabbit down the alleyway.

You have no car. There's only three car dealerships in town: Toyota, Nissan and Hummer. You've been a loyal Toyota customer for years, but the dealer has fallen on rough times and has to close down. You keep referring customers to him, but he just can't keep the store open any longer. And you're angry at the Nissan dealership, because it sells pretty much the same product, and it's trying to drive the Toyota dealer out of business. And even though they're pretty similar, you are certain Toyotas are better than Nissan.

So now you have two options. You can go and give the Nissan dealer your business and get a Nissan while trying to get him to hire on some of the Toyota staff and maybe buy up that Toyota dealership that closed. You can go buy a Hummer, even though it gets terrible mileage, is wildly unpractical and is terribly overpriced (even though the base price is advertised as low, the hidden fees are exorbitant). Or you can just not drive a car. Or you can move somewhere else.

Your options are limited. And if you'd rather buy the Hummer, sell your house and move or bike 30 miles to your job every day, go right ahead. But keep in mind that in this analogy, if you don't give the Nissan place support, it will close too. And all that will be left is that crappy Hummer store. Maybe the Toyota place will reopen after the Nissan dealer has been driven out of business, but it will be a lot harder and people will already be locked in.

So think about it. If you really would buy a Hummer instead of a Altima hybrid just because you can't get a Prius, what does that say about you?


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:23:35 AM EST

Huh? (2.00 / 1)

And if one train leaves Lincoln, Nebraska at 2:00 traveling east at 65 mph and another train leaves Boston at 3:00 traveling west at 55 mph, who is the most electable?  God..is there any Obama supporter over 30 years old...


by emmasaint on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:41:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

It's ironic that you indiscriminately attack Obama supporters in a diary that's supposed to attack Obama supporters for the ways they attack the Clinton people.

Actually I guess it's not ironic, but rather fitting. The diary itself is unwittingly ironic.


by Aris Katsaris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:04:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

unfortunately...yes i am over 30.


by citizendave on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:10:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Are their any clinton supporters younger then 65 with all of their mental capacities still intact?


by venician on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:23:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

You're in luck. I'm not over 30, so your remark is merely condescending. But I believe I was simply doing the same thing as the original poster. Not sure how old they are.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:43:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Say, if a store's employees treat you like cra (2.00 / 2)

How is this different from saying that just because you're treated like crap by a store's employees, it doesn't mean you shouldn't go back - for more abuse?

I like analogies. That one needs a little work.

Let's say there are three stores: A, B, and C. Stores A and B sell candy, and Store C sells rat poison. The employees of those stores are all polite to customers and potential customers. But there's this weird rivalry between customers of different stores and a lot of abuse gets hurled back and forth. Nobody's really sure who started it, but it's been going on for a while.

And let's say that the town is too small to support two candy stores, and store B goes out of business. The more rabid Store A customers gloat for a few days but then get bored and stop.

Sensible customers from Store B will probably ignore the gloating and start shopping at Store A. Maybe the candy doesn't taste as good to them, but it's better than nothing.

Prideful customers from Store B will never be able to forget the abuse or the gloating, so they'll do without candy and wait 4 or 8 years for a new store to open.

Foolish customers from Store B will buy poison from Store C and eat it as if it were candy.

People will be sensible or prideful or foolish according to their natures. It's probably a waste of time to try get them to change before they're ready.


by mazement on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:25:21 AM EST

as a semi-pro comedian (2.00 / 1)

i consider it my job to communicate in a snarky, sarcastic, and cynical way.

i have seen some pretty funny pro-obama diaries on this site but have never seen a funny (intentionally) pro-hillary diary.

maybe hillary supporters don't have well developed funny bones........

my advice; work on it. don't be so bitter.


by citizendave on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:25:51 AM EST

But we are bitter (2.00 / 3)

clinging to our guns, racism and religion.  Gosh if only we could be so enlightened as you...This is going to be a fun fall...whether Obama wins (unlikely) or loses....I can't wait to hear the wales when he lets you silly children down.


by emmasaint on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:42:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But we are bitter (none / 0)

was that supposed to be funny?

i can't tell.


by citizendave on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:09:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But we are bitter (none / 0)

Then maybe you're the one who needs to work on developing that funny bone.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:23:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But we are bitter (none / 0)

Careful,emma, your this close to wearing depends and sipping your meals through a straw. Guess what generation will be taking care of you?


by venician on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:25:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But we are bitter (none / 0)

Always with the classy quip, this one.


by Montague on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:26:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But we are bitter (none / 0)

Not that funny. If that is what tickles your funny bone, might I recommend a compendium of newspaper editorial cartoons? You'll get a laugh and a half.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:47:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Say, (none / 0)

I'm just going to take the lowest hanging fruit and point out that supporters are not employees of the campaign.  

Simultaneously complaining of mistreatment and unfairly sliming the other side has to be one of the oldest tricks in the book.


by rfahey22 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:37:08 AM EST

Re: Say, if a store's employees treat you like cra (2.00 / 1)

If you base your vote on the treatment you receive from a bunch of bloggers then you deserve to be treated like crap.  

Smell the latte my friend.  There is much more at stake in November than your feelings.  If you can't figure that out then it is you who has the problem.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:52:00 AM EST

Store employees to supporters. Stupid analogy (none / 0)

If you must make that stretch of an analogy, get it right. You need to compare supporters to the customers in a store.


by Pravin on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:58:05 PM EST

Re: Store employees to supporters. Stupid analogy (none / 0)

I dunno, customers in the store don't keep me away.  It's when I don't want to give money to the management because of their crappy policies or bad manners that I stop shopping there.


by Montague on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:28:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If the store is selling the future of the nation, (none / 0)

I'd say you suck it up and go back, maybe complain to the management, make it known you don't like store policy, complain about particular employees.

Here's your analogy. There are only two stores within driving distance of you. One, ObamaMart, is a store that sells the best stuff at the best prices. Perfect produce. Huge selection. All organic. Earth friendly packaging. However, some of the clerks are incredibly rude to you.

The other store, McCainMall, is dirty. The produce is spoiled. They never have what you want. Everything is packaged in styrofoam and plastic. There are rats running around the aisles, but, the clerks there, in their dirty smelly aprons, treat you really nice.

Which store do you go to?


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:16:40 PM EST

Re: If the store is selling (2.00 / 1)

I totally skip the rude employee store and the rotted veggie store and just go spend my money with the locals.

I may not get all I want but that life.

Just like politics all stores are local.


by J Rae on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:57:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nope. Just like the election. (none / 0)

You only get two choices. If you don't shop at either then the corporation that owns ObamaMart, Democrat Inc., can't achieve their goals and goes out of business. Sorry.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:08:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nope. Just like the election. (2.00 / 1)

ObamaMart is a subsidiary of DemoMart.
If ObamaMart cannot meet the customer demand than DemoMart would need to reorganize.
DemoMart does not go out of business but lets face it, sometimes it misjudges the market and loses customers.
Customers are still allowed in this country to buy what they want, or to just refrain from spending totally.
by J Rae on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:23:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nope. Just like the election. (2.00 / 1)

Furthermore, the customers have the choice of learning to grow their own food.


by Montague on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:35:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If the store is selling the future of the nati (none / 0)

You have made the correct point in  saying that our shopping choices are limited.  

I disagree, however, that ObamaMart has the best quality goods.  It offers middling stuff at okay prices.  It's not 100% organic by a long shot.  

HillaryStore had the highest quality goods of the three stores (not perfect, but the healthiest for you and at the best value) but went out of business because ObamaMart's superior advertising tactics.

You do have McCainMall exactly right.

In the above situation, I would learn to grow my own food in my backyard.


by Montague on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:34:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Say, if a store's ...... (none / 0)

say, if a country treats its citizens like crap (china, saudi arabia, etc.) do you keep buying their goods (oil, plastic stuff, etc.)

if you're an american you do (flag lapel pin, optional)

see....thats funny and true.


by citizendave on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:36:00 PM EST


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